[Mel_Robertson]

All of the following is just me ranting, and it's just my opinion and hopefully people who struggle with seeing digital painting as (real art) can get a better understanding from this...
The most important thing I want to portray is... digital art takes so much effort in learning - it's a whole new medium like switching from watercolor to Oil.
everything about this forum is my dream place to be
the people are amazing and I love the art I'm seeing from most
but there's 1 thing that peeves me and thats the fact my chosen art medium (digital) is still located under - Other art. (take a breath lol)
which means when ever I want to post a painting I have to go into a totally separate forum, now some of you may think it's not a big deal because it still gets listed as a new topic.
but I'll list a few reasons as to why it gets under my skin....

digital art is the future of art.
why? We must look at history and the history of tattooing is a perfect example for the type of thing I'm talking about, up to 1929 tatoo's were traditionally painted using sticks heated on clay, then came along the modern Gun tool.... at first people shy'd away from it, because it meant to tattoo with a gun means they had to learn a new tool/medium.... in order to express their art.

digital art deserves more respect than it's getting online (it's REAL art) some people flag it as an easy way to paint.
why? people who have the skill to paint good art using a tablet are NOT CHEATS - in fact they're to be admired.... admired for taking the time and giving so much effort in learning the new medium
anything I can paint with a tablet I can paint using Oils and watercolor, for for those who judge digital painting, can you paint what you paint with oils digitally?

So back to the actual painting, when I do an oil painting with my tablet the software I use forces me to use the oil meduim, so I have to use the same techniques as anyone else would painting with oils.
when I do a black & white drawing digitally the software forces me to use the very same pencil grades that the physical world does.

I'm frustrated, because I know ANY artist here given 6 weeks who works on ANY medium could master a tablet and produce better work and evolve their skills to levels they didn't even dream


so I wish that digital painting was moved to it's very own section under *Drawing* where I (& others like me) can post our art in what ever medium we are painting in.... instead of *other* because it's not yet understood
:vs_unimpressed: Sorry lol

 

[Bushcraftonfire]

What I see as the problem Meli (and your speaking to the choir here since my main medium is Digital) is where do we put it? You say under drawing.. but i paint Digitally. Other times I draw digitally.

SO do we have a Digital drawing and a digital painting? How about other digital works? Like Photshopping a picture? I could go on.. but I think you understand. Being under "Other Art" is no problem to me. I'm not sure what you are saying "open another forum". I have all of the forums together on one page.. and Digital is on top (2nd down actually) making it easy to find.

I, personally, understand that digital isn't traditional. After all.. even Mixed Media is under Other Art. It doesn't mean in any way that it's not "understood" nor that it is 2nd class in anyone's eyes. It's just an easy way to categorize things (at least that's my understanding"

I hope @Cricket VS will look at this as she would be the one to make the decision anyway.

 

[Mel_Robertson]

Understand painting art on skin wasn't traditional with sticks heated on Clay, before that it was scarification.
What i'm exactly suggesting is a new board underneath Drawing (as pic shows below) where people who use digital medium can post their art, as apposed to being listed along side " Misc Art" and " Art Supplies "
see?
( View pic below.. it's much more welcoming to people who paint digitally )

 

[Bushcraftonfire]

No.. I don't see a picture below either But I understand what you are saying. You want an entire section.. Called Digital.. with sub catergories like Digital Drawing, Digital Painting, etc. Is this correct?

PS - We don't have a section for tats either.. LOL

 

[Mel_Robertson]

PS - We don't have a section for tats either.. LOL

Not yet :angel:

 

[Mel_Robertson]

hey I respect you as a Mod and as a digital painter, if you don't believe there should be a dedicated section then I'll conceded to my point and just shut up lol.. but you're only going to get more & more painters joining who use this format after all in just 4 years it will be 2020!!!!!!!
and we all know thats the year the Terminators travel back in time to destroy humanity lol

 

[Bushcraftonfire]

It's not my call Meli.. as I said before.. I, too, use digital the most and I don't necessarily disagree with you. But I don't have the power to create forums.. only Cricket and Admin can do that. That's why I pointed it out in a previous post

 

[Mel_Robertson]

I know, and I knew you'd agree while I was writing the post

 

[Bushcraftonfire]

And btw.. where did you get that kewl looking drop down? I don't have that.. I have the entire forum on a page.. With each topic listed. I think if you saw what I saw it wouldn't be as big a deal.. NOW I understand what you are looking for and why. I think there's an easy fix to that.. all they need to do is put a drop down Title that links directly to the Digital forum.

 

[onizetsu666]

Yeah I get what you mean. Also there are apps like "Fresh Paint" that are the ultimate mix of traditional painting and digital.
This also reminds me of kinda what my mother said to me when I was little and I told her I wanted to be an artist, which her response was that it would not be a good idea because artists don't make much (at the time digital art did not really kick off and I was doing "fine art" so to say) and now that she can see my talents and how the market for graphic designers and other digital art areas are in much desire she is all for it and has encouraged me. So I can apply this to digital art itself, perhaps some people don't think it is in a right setting yet and once it becomes more stable everyone will accept it more.
As for the placement in the forums I don't find it a bother BUT I do understand the principal behind it so I do have to agree.

 

[Mel_Robertson]

Yes that sounds perfect!
Just below the button that says 'Drawing'
:wings: Brilliant!

 

[Bushcraftonfire]

Yup.. I see the difference. You have the new skin. I keep the classic because it shows me every time someone posts a new post. If you look at the classic skin you will see what I see.. and why I was wondering what the difference was

 

[Mel_Robertson]

lets see your self portrait then?

 

[Bushcraftonfire]

My self portrait? What's that got to do with a Digital category? ROTFLOL

 

[Mel_Robertson]

oops I thought this was community chat
(still I'm always keen to see people how they see themselves) lol

 

[Bushcraftonfire]

Just for you Meli.. BUT! I need to say.. I had only been drawing about 6 months when I did this.. It was one of my first works.. so it's horrible.. LOL!

I suppose I should do a new one.. maybe a digital.. would be fun

 

[Mel_Robertson]

its very good for just six months

 

[abt2k15]

l8 on topic but yeah i agree with meli and have to say was kind of offended too since people tend to dismiss digital art very quickly since its on the computer
the computer did all the work but its basically the same principals just there is so many more ways to shove and change pigments..
well and its called pixels instead of pigments but yeah you simulate traditional drawing but at almost no cost. you dont have
to buy paint and brushes and such for studies.

http://abt2k15.deviantart.com/art/Acryl-Ritt-nach-laramie-S-502030825

this was my 3rd acrylic painting ever and i did it w/o reference and how much knowledge can you have about the medium
with 3 paintings ever made? it turned out rather well and thats due to my experience with digital art. so at least for me personally
i know that digital and traditional art are related and not that far away. its really just the medium "pixel" is so much more flexible ^^

when i post traditional stuff on fb for example ppl would send likes like its a meme but when i post a digital artwork its just ok to them
since in ppls mind they see it like you just put a sticker on a foto and thats that.

 

[Susan Mulno]

I appreciate digital painting a lot.

That being said, I think there is a bit of a stigma for digital artists out there because in the back of their minds people know that a photoshop image is beautiful but was done by the computer more or less. Many people do not realize that you can do original paintings and works this way.

You digital artists will help them see.....

 

[Bushcraftonfire]

...in the back of their minds people know that a photoshop image is beautiful but was done by the computer more or less. Many people do not realize that you can do original paintings and works this way.

While I understand that's how people see it Susan.. the computer DOES NOT do all the work. Well.. yes.. you can get some programs that will extract lines and manipulate them for a desired effect. But when I paint digitally.. I am doing the work.. holding the pen.. moving my hand the way I want the pixels.. choosing the color. I believe that's how Meli works as well and why she is upset.

We aren't talking about photoshopping something with a preset. We are talking about creating something fresh on a digital processor. There is really NOTHING different than sketching with a pencil or pen.. or doing an oil painting (Yup.. the programs we use actually make the paint flow the way it does in life.. so you need to know how to use the paints, Palette knife, etc)

In fact, even photoshopping an image takes skill! It's not the computer that sees where the corrections need to be made (in fact.. the computer is really pretty poor at this compared to the human eye). It's not the computer that makes the changes needed.. it only makes it possible to make those changes.

Wow.. it sounds like I was being defensive there for a minute.. maybe I was.. LOL!