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horseygeorgie
07-25-2016, 06:03 PM
Hi,

First attempt at charcoal so would welcome some feedback! I also never normally 'do' people so have been trying to improve myself. Have placed a virtual frame on it via an editing app but nothing else was touched (although that may have been a good thing ha ha!).

abt2k15
07-26-2016, 11:45 AM
it looks to me like you didnt do a sketch first but rather dive right into it hehe. when you focus on a certain point while drawing you sometimes loose track of the whole image hence your forms will be off here and there like with the glasses. do more breaks inbetween. step back a bit and watch your drawing from afar. maybe hold it into a mirror sometimes. this will help to "reset" your view on the image and you will spot your own mistakes while drawing much more easily. the rendering i.e. the shading is quite nice for the first try and the image as whole turned out nice.

horseygeorgie
07-26-2016, 12:36 PM
Thank you! Yes you are spot on, I tend to leap in to things head first. I've not been drawing long, I started last August and tbh have been feeling my way. That is really helpful and I will remember that, thanks!

Stever
07-29-2016, 03:26 PM
Hi,

First attempt at charcoal so would welcome some feedback! I also never normally 'do' people so have been trying to improve myself. Have placed a virtual frame on it via an editing app but nothing else was touched (although that may have been a good thing ha ha!).

Hi horseygeorgie,

I think you did a real good job, as mentioned the glasses and the hat or little off. But overall very good sketch. What I doing for my soft pastel paintings is taking photos and then looking at the photos you can see mistakes easier.
Stever

Desdichado
07-29-2016, 05:50 PM
Hey Georgie. Your sketch has character and I wouldn't change a thing. The hat and glasses etc, indeed the whole thing should be how you see them not stereotypical. They look fine and the whole sketch is good. Some people tend to see everbody they draw as perfect featured film stars and life just isn't like that. You want to draw Robin Hood, he doesn't have to look like Kevin Costner, not did Cleopatra probably look like Liz Taylor. If that's what you want you might as well take up photography.The whole art of impressionism came about from a desire to paint/draw things as the artist sees them, not the way a camera does.. Just keep drawing and practising and you own style will come out. I think you did fine there.

abt2k15
07-30-2016, 04:35 AM
Hey Georgie. Your sketch has character and I wouldn't change a thing. The hat and glasses etc, indeed the whole thing should be how you see them not stereotypical. They look fine and the whole sketch is good. Some people tend to see everbody they draw as perfect featured film stars and life just isn't like that. You want to draw Robin Hood, he doesn't have to look like Kevin Costner, not did Cleopatra probably look like Liz Taylor. If that's what you want you might as well take up photography.The whole art of impressionism came about from a desire to paint/draw things as the artist sees them, not the way a camera does.. Just keep drawing and practising and you own style will come out. I think you did fine there.

i wonder what makes you write such things. you dont even know the reference the artist used yet you advise to not change anything. its kind of liek someone joins a basketball club missing every shot and the trainer is like yeah your way of throwing looks really nice you dont need to score like every basketball player does since you jumpshot looks so graceful.

also impressionism came from the desire to draw nature and stuff - like you said - what you see but not distort them. while art usually was made as realistic as possible manet and his gang often met to draw outside on the fly because synthetic pigments were just invented allowing such things to do. with impressionalism color is the result from light and atmosphere reacting to each other.

like i mentioned in your other thread - where i explained how it cannot have a dark value being the prominent lightsource someone else even posted to disagree. whats there to disagree? its physics. its not opinions. to adapt the basketball reference its like someone telling you to snap your wrist more so you get a better shot but you be like nah im just into jumping and aiming; scoring doesnt interest me. dont worry im not doing these on your paintings anymore since you dont look into becoming better by knowledge but by producing. i can respect that and its all cool and i also understand if someone does not want to change a thing to the painting its not neccessary but it is kind of a blessing knowing what went wrong and why so you have more control over what you do in the future.

of course you dont have to only draw hollywood stars haha but here is the kicker : those fundamentals like light behaviour or perspective etc dont change for "not perfect" or even ugly people but light/ perspective etc can change if someone looks good or not ;) when i critique something even i take quite some time and re-check information i "think" i possess, try to imagine what the artist had in mind, how the artist processed the work and all that. its a good practise to strengthen my own knowledge and i often do paintovers as a warmup before going into painting myself. also - doing things correctly ( proportions, depth etc ) does not make you lose your style but enables you to play your style properly.

yeah tl;dr :

its ok to not change/ fix mistakes but imho its not ok to advice not to change/ fix mistakes because you just did art.


/cheers

abt2k15
07-30-2016, 06:05 AM
there is nothing negative about what i write. spotting a mistake or doing a mistake is not a bad thing. honestly i think its just sulky behaviour on your end i guess everything else would just make you look stupid to me and i dont believe you are. i didnt even point out whats wrong in my initial post i just made a guess about what happened, why it happened and how you could prevent it from happening if you chose to. the only negative thing is your opinion about me for whatever reasons. but i agree that its probably best to drop it in here now. have a nice day tho

Desdichado
07-30-2016, 06:23 AM
I deleted my reply because my views on art critics are not for here. Have a nice day yourself.

just
07-30-2016, 07:23 AM
i wonder what makes you write such things. you dont even know the reference the artist used yet you advise to not change anything. its kind of liek someone joins a basketball club missing every shot and the trainer is like yeah your way of throwing looks really nice you dont need to score like every basketball player does since you jumpshot looks so graceful.

also impressionism came from the desire to draw nature and stuff - like you said - what you see but not distort them. while art usually was made as realistic as possible manet and his gang often met to draw outside on the fly because synthetic pigments were just invented allowing such things to do. with impressionalism color is the result from light and atmosphere reacting to each other.

like i mentioned in your other thread - where i explained how it cannot have a dark value being the prominent lightsource someone else even posted to disagree. whats there to disagree? its physics. its not opinions. to adapt the basketball reference its like someone telling you to snap your wrist more so you get a better shot but you be like nah im just into jumping and aiming; scoring doesnt interest me. dont worry im not doing these on your paintings anymore since you dont look into becoming better by knowledge but by producing. i can respect that and its all cool and i also understand if someone does not want to change a thing to the painting its not neccessary but it is kind of a blessing knowing what went wrong and why so you have more control over what you do in the future.

of course you dont have to only draw hollywood stars haha but here is the kicker : those fundamentals like light behaviour or perspective etc dont change for "not perfect" or even ugly people but light/ perspective etc can change if someone looks good or not ;) when i critique something even i take quite some time and re-check information i "think" i possess, try to imagine what the artist had in mind, how the artist processed the work and all that. its a good practise to strengthen my own knowledge and i often do paintovers as a warmup before going into painting myself. also - doing things correctly ( proportions, depth etc ) does not make you lose your style but enables you to play your style properly.

yeah tl;dr :

its ok to not change/ fix mistakes but imho its not ok to advice not to change/ fix mistakes because you just did art.


/cheers

Right on. Well said.

queen
08-11-2016, 05:09 AM
That's really nice, for a first timer!! Good job!