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I have a curiosity question, in digital art is there such a thing as one of a kind? I mean if I sell an original it is gone to me, can that be done with digital? or are you only able to sell a copy of your work?
Not sure about how this would work legally, but in essence it's always a copy you're selling, unless you were to manually delete the file once you sold it, though I don't think many people do that.

Now, on the other hand, as far as I know, usually a piece is only sold to one person (not talking about stock images and the like of course) so in that sense it does have the possibility to retain it's exclusiveness, though it'll still be different from a painting or statue.
If the buyer - or the artist if it's agreed upon that it can be used as a portfolio piece - puts the work up on the internet, in it's full size and resolution, then of course anyone can download it and do with it whatever they want as long as they don't get caught making money off of it, but that's why watermarks and lower resolutions can be a good idea; that way the artist has control over who will get the piece in the way it's intended to be.

As I said, I don't know the ins and outs of copyright law and what would protect a digital piece's exclusiveness and what wouldn't, but generally speaking a piece you buy - or buy the rights of, I suppose - is always going to be a copy of the artist's original file.

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Legally the person who creates the digital original (or copies) holds the copyright on it in the exact same way any other artist does, theoretically no 1 should download or use the drawing without the permission of the artist & copyright extends for 70 years after the artists death, in all situations in every medium... oil/digital/watercolor/musical.
I think all copyright is useless unless you're a corporation or registered PLC company, I've never heard of an individual successfully taking anyone to court and winning a copyright battle.
(Edit - even if you sell someone a piece of your art they're not allowed to make a copy of it).

I'm a freak in my way of thinking on the copyright thing, I upload full res copies of all my art to my gallery and encourage anyone to download them and do what ever they like with them because they're not originals, what would make a piece of digital art an original is if I sign it and forward it to who ever commissioned it or bought it as an original.
at least thats how I've been doing it when I sell digital art in the past.
if I ever discover someone is having my art printed off and they're selling them for a profit, I think that would be great! it'd make me feel good and I'd take it as a compliment!
but if they were printing, then signing it as if they'd created it then I'd have an issue.
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I usually just upload it at a reasonable size; fine for viewing only, but not much good when printing. I personally wouldn't see my stuff being printed behind my back as a compliment, but more as cheap way of making money. It could happen either way, of course, poor sods at Pixiv are often targeted, as a lot of them don't speak English very well, adding just another hurdle if they would want to do something about it, but yeah, it wouldn't make me feel good. Someone printing and selling your work without compensating you to me looks like someone not respecting your work enough to pay for it.

Funnily, I actually don't really care if someone tries to pass off my work as their own, at least on the web. That sort of thing never lasts anyway. My sentiment is something like 'go ahead, we'll speak again once someone tries to commission something, won't we'.
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Wow folks, a lot of great information here. Thank you!

How does it affect interest/price when there is no "one of a kind" factor?

If I sell one of my works that's it, there are no more. Even if I do another rendition of the same subject, it will be different. I learned when you sell an original for top dollar but then sell prints made from that original that you have effectively "ripped off" the person you sold the piece to.
How does that work with digital art?

The reason I am curious is I have considered trying my hand at digital art. I have made memes that include some artwork in them. Thinking of branching out.

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How does it affect interest/price when there is no "one of a kind" factor?
I think that depends on your skill level, I've only been drawing digitally for 4 years before that I sold drawings in INK+lead (tattoo studios)
& paintings in watercolor for around 15 years (commissioned portraits)
but in just the 4 years drawing digitally I've made more money.


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I learned when you sell an original for top dollar but then sell prints made from that original that you have effectively "ripped off" the person you sold the piece to.
How does that work with digital art?
Where did you learn this Susan?
it's not true, even after you've sold an original piece to someone YOU own the copyright on it, only YOU can make copies and sell them and they have no rights to do that or to ask you not to.
In fact as the creator you can sell them reproduction rights, or a licence to print.
I have friends who've made more money from selling the copyright retaining license on the picture than the picture itself lol ..but that may stop you reproducing it without their permission.
(if you were suggesting selling off 1 off prints as originals over and over again - I agree thats immoral)

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The reason I am curious is I have considered trying my hand at digital art. I have made memes that include some artwork in them. Thinking of branching out.
I think thats a fantastic idea!
digital art's helped me evolve my watercolor painting skills to new levels
you wouldn't think it but many of the aspects, techniques and skills you learn on screen will totally pass over to painting in things like, color mixing, contrasts, compositions & depth of fields!
I choose to paint digitally now because my screen is 55 inches, thats an infinite amount of canvas's for FREE
saving me Ģ30 each time I pick up my tablet
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Wow folks, a lot of great information here. Thank you!

How does it affect interest/price when there is no "one of a kind" factor?

If I sell one of my works that's it, there are no more. Even if I do another rendition of the same subject, it will be different. I learned when you sell an original for top dollar but then sell prints made from that original that you have effectively "ripped off" the person you sold the piece to.
How does that work with digital art?

The reason I am curious is I have considered trying my hand at digital art. I have made memes that include some artwork in them. Thinking of branching out.
so... no one ever copied letīs say a dhali? there is not really a difference to traditional paintings except that overall since there is barely no material cost in digital it is somewhat harder to get people paying good prices for your work but to make up for that like you said its much easier to make copies from a digital source file.

if you want to have a poster 1,2meter width and 80cm high ( real metric measurement guise haha ) you will get a very bad result if you copy an image from the internet. so you need a high resolution in order to print larger than dinA4.

in digital you can also store copyright information and if you are very eager there is companies that do spider bots like google does but for picture information ( with or w/o watermark - its the pixel information ) so they will notice you and maybe also take actions for you for a fee of course. so in that regard its more secure than an original painting since there are master artists who can copy painter styles and itll be much harder to spot them since you need experts ( which can be wrong ) scientific analyses of material and such.

the only let down for digital is that you need to get used to a different hand/eye coordination and you might want to learn some painting software. but there is lots of tutorials
so its not hard to find information but yeah you dont really need to learn how to find a pen haha with digital you have to learn all tools.. its like you are a caveman painter entering a
free art store... but its rewarding! to me it feels just like traditional media w/o cost and i can mix "oil", "graphite", "acrylics" and whatever "medium" i please virtually w/o side effects like
acryl on oil f.e.

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You all are very helpful! And have given me a lot to think about.

What's funny is I ask about financial points and I am not really interested in making money off any of my art, I just wish to understand copyright etc.

So, if I may pick your brains just a little more....

How tech savvy must I be to sell one of these? I see words like, "resolution", "reasonable size" etc...I get around a computer okay now but would not say I am fluent in "computer -ese".

Last(?) question, what is a good free art program to get my feet wet? I do not wish to spend on something I might ultimately abandon.

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Where did you learn this Susan?
it's not true, even after you've sold an original piece to someone YOU own the copyright on it, only YOU can make copies and sell them and they have no rights to do that or to ask you not to.
In fact as the creator you can sell them reproduction rights, or a licence to print.
I have friends who've made more money from selling the copyright retaining license on the picture than the picture itself lol ..but that may stop you reproducing it without their permission.
(if you were suggesting selling off 1 off prints as originals over and over again - I agree thats immoral)
I don't remember where I learned that, so I was misinformed, thank you.

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Susan, resolution just means the number of pixels or color dots in an image. When I take a picture with my phone, the resolution is set in pixels to this.
Painting digitally a logical objective look - the future.-paintresize.jpg I change it to this for posting sometimes and this would probably be a higher resolution than you want if you were afraid of theft.
Painting digitally a logical objective look - the future.-paintresized800x400.jpg
So you might want to make it smaller so that when someone tries to blow it up, it looks horrible. If you click on the image below you'll see what I mean.
Painting digitally a logical objective look - the future.-paintresized-300x200.jpg
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Thanks Dick! That's why Facebook pictures always look so choppy! Good to know.

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