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post #1 of Old 08-23-2015, 02:57 PM Thread Starter
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Value of Sharing Works

I've been listening to videos on art lately and something Stephan Bauman said has been resonating in my brain. I'm paraphrasing but he said something like we can not grow in art unless we show our art to others and get feed back or at least see our work as compared to others doing similar things. That keeps ringing in my ears and it is so true. How can you improve if you don't know you are not as good as you could be.

That's where this forum and other sites like Our Art Corner is so valuable for growing. Facebook is great but your friends on facebook are going to say it's wonderful even if it isn't. That is not helpful.

Shall we discuss this?



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post #2 of Old 08-23-2015, 03:15 PM
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...your friends on facebook are going to say it's wonderful even if it isn't. That is not helpful.
That is what happens here too.
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That is what happens here too.
Yes to some degree I know you are right. I think it happens like that until people feel comfortable with each other and know how the other person is going to react to criticism. Will they see it as an affront on their abilities or an honest attempt to be helpful. A lot of that is how the criticism is given. You can say "those teeth are very amateurish" (not helpful) or you can say "I think you might want to put the gleam only on the first two teeth and darken the others) (helpful).

Some people are not looking for real criticism only compliments. Those are the people that will get hurt by a break down of flaws in the picture. And every picture will have flaws. We have all had our feelings hurt if we are honest with ourselves, because we are expecting kudos instead of having flaws pointed out. Not getting the praise that you are expecting will cause disappointment. Also we can change from day to day depending on moods and other happenings in life. A disappointment in a person that is already depressed is devastating and a disappointment for someone that is going to Disneyland the next day is pretty much overlooked.

I think the bottom line is when people are comfortable and know they are not going to be embarrassed or belittled they are more willing to share their work.




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somehow guilty with the topic :/ There are times that I just dunno the right words or right techniques to share with the artist even though I see some flaws with his/her work (step aside in criticizing the first timers)...it's just that sometimes I don't make sense at all..><..staying away from any arguments...
.I just learned to do better for my art by self-criticism, comparing mine with others and just like yours @TerryCurley , whenever I don't receive a WOW from my boyfriend....I try again....I would do a long hour research for some techniques from professionals just so I can finish the picture like how I would want it to be..the exact (but not 100%) image in my mind..

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One of the things I have appreciated about this forum from the start is your ability to use constructive criticism, of course not everyone is good at it and not everyone sees the flaws that could be mentioned (or as Luna pointed out, are too shy to suggest them) but I for one have received helpful hints and pointers that do improve my work over all.

@TerryCurley also touched on the fact that over time we learn who wants good honest appraisal and who wants us to pet their ego.

Most of the time I would say it is in the delivery, not the criticism itself.

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I think another issue about giving and receiving criticism is that we are at different levels of development. An advance artist that has been doing it for decades should not evaluate a picture from a newbie artist in the same way that he would expect of himself. Does that make sense? We all have to take this journey one step at a time and a flood of suggestions can be discouraging.



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That is what happens here too.
Not always. I have gotten ripped on FB for my work and I have seen artwork here ripped pretty hard as well.

In terms of critique and feedback..some of us are more direct in our critiques of others while some of us tend to look at the picture as a whole and try to point out the good and the bad of a piece.

I think either way the point gets across. It depends on the situation.

I like to think about a persons background and where they are at artistically. If somebody has been drawing for many many years and their work is still coming out like that of a complete newbie..well..I gather they aren't interested in improving their work. There have been a few where I have been less than kind (not many but a few). We had a member a few years back where his work was CRAP but he claimed to be better than us all. He also claimed to be some wizard of some high order. I am sure he threw a hex on us. Sorry. Don't come in here with a high and mighty attitude that you are better than us but aren't able to deliver on that.

At any rate, if the person is new at it and is genuinely interested in learning and improving then I see no reason to bash their works. We all started somewhere. I think pointing out the areas they did well while trying to point out areas they need improvement is a wise strategy.



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And you hit on the key to it all Chanda. Pointing out the areas that are done well along with the flaws is so very important.

Hey I have to tell folks that I won a challenge on 'Our Art Corner' WoooHooo!



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We had a member a few years back where his work was CRAP but he claimed to be better than us all. He also claimed to be some wizard of some high order. I am sure he threw a hex on us.

That is what happened to me.
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I have been really struggling to get constructive criticism with my work, from every avenue I try. Not sure if it is because my work isn't good enough to even critique, if it is because it is sculptural, or if folks are afraid to hurt my feelings (I am, after all, a very new artist). My husband is also an artist, and has helped me quite a bit, but sometimes hearing it from a spouse is NOT appropriate, haha.

Any way, I agree with the need to have your artwork (or ANY work) critiqued for personal/professional growth. Finding a person with both the know-how and the tact to get the point across can be tricky, though!
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